Tellico Closed until further notice...

Southeast Offroad · 03-31-2009, 02:21 PM

Closed until 2011? WTH?

http://www.cs.unca.edu/nfsnc/nepa/tusquitee/tellico.htm

CMF · 03-31-2009, 02:28 PM

:d

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the forest service has received over 2,500 comments on the environmental assessment.

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Few (less than ten) comments were received from local area businesses.

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This closure is effective from April 1, 2009 until March 31, 2011, or earlier if the order is officially terminated by the Forest Supervisor.

k9crazy · 03-31-2009, 02:30 PM

Yep, you beat me to it. I was typing when this was posted.

This is typical FS...close the area because they know that they have no leg to stand on and they will push things back for YEARS thinking that we will go away or lose interest. They want the time to try to figure out a way to prove that the area is causing what they are alledging...BECAUSE AS OF NOW THEY CAN'T PROVE ANYTHING!

I stand by what I said, I believe we can see Tellico open again and Southern will continue to fight. It's going to take all we have and all of you to make this happen. Please don't let the FS drive you away...they are trying to make you not care! They are manipulating us into accepting their crap!

So, needless to say, we at Southern and Rescue Tellico were ready for this and will be taking legal action now that the decision is out.

And, by the way...I hate to pimp for cash, but we really need money bad to pay for this. Please consider donating what you would have spent at Tellico this year. I am going to donate my entrance fees, user fees, and travel costs to the cause. Please consider doing the same.

Sonnenburg · 03-31-2009, 02:31 PM

unbelievable. She probably wrote that memo months ago.

GSW · 03-31-2009, 02:32 PM

Let's be honest, the Press Release, the Forest Supervisor's Order, the decision memo and the map were not created this afternoon following a soul searching analysis of the issue by Marisue Hilliard. This is Step 1 of the TU forest monopoly plan.

shadetree6969 · 03-31-2009, 02:35 PM

When they did the temporary closure, it was a mask so they could do just what they have done. This was there plan all along. Who is Candace Wyman’s boss? I think she is in the bed with TU, or at least on the bank roll. She has to answer to someone. But then again it could be that she is taking the fall for her bosses on TU bankroll. I think everyone in that change of command should be audited.

GSW · 03-31-2009, 02:38 PM

Senator Richard Burr's (R-NC) office is aware of this. They actually called me this afternoon in response to one of my emails. The time is NOW to ramp up our contacts with elected offficials. Pick an office and call Senator Burr...today.

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shadetree6969 · 03-31-2009, 02:42 PM

http://www.cs.unca.edu/nfsnc/press/n...e_hilliard.pdf
I found this it seems all of this started when she got permoted.

k9crazy · 03-31-2009, 02:46 PM

Oh hell yeah she wrote that in February...it's on their website as a draft. She has known that she was going to do this all along.

And you need to go to MariSue Hilliard's boss here in Atlanta, not Candace Wyman's boss (MariSue). Her name is Elizabeth (Liz) Agpaoa. Here is her contact info:

Elizabeth (Liz) Agpaoa
Regional Forester, Region 8
1720 Peachtree Road NW, Atlanta, GA 30309–2449
Phone: 404–347–4177; Fax: 404–347–4821

Be polite, be nice, but be firm and be direct.

bigjerm · 03-31-2009, 03:02 PM

Sounds like the same thing they did with Anderson Creek here in GA... close it down for 2 years while they decide what to do and then when everyone has moved on close it for good quietly.

GubNi · 03-31-2009, 03:03 PM

I feel sorry for local land owners of crawfords camp and tellico cabins. I would love to see Helen and her husband move to Harlan and set up something like they had there.

NIB-98TJ · 03-31-2009, 03:06 PM

Why did you expect anything else? They made up the game and as long as we play by their rules, they will win. How many times do we have to go down this road before we know the outcome was locked in between the forest service and trout unlimited with a wink and a nod months ago.

NIB

shadetree6969 · 03-31-2009, 03:09 PM

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Originally Posted by k9crazy

Oh hell yeah she wrote that in February...it's on their website as a draft. She has known that she was going to do this all along.

And you need to go to MariSue Hilliard's boss here in Atlanta, not Candace Wyman's boss (MariSue). Her name is Elizabeth (Liz) Agpaoa. Here is her contact info:

Elizabeth (Liz) Agpaoa
Regional Forester, Region 8
1720 Peachtree Road NW, Atlanta, GA 30309–2449
Phone: 404–347–4177; Fax: 404–347–4821

Be polite, be nice, but be firm and be direct.

Do you have an e-mail for her. I have a nice letter wrote up to send to her, but I can drop it in the mail if I have to.

k9crazy · 03-31-2009, 03:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NIB-98TJ

Why did you expect anything else? They made up the game and as long as we play by their rules, they will win. How many times do we have to go down this road before we know the outcome was locked in between the forest service and trout unlimited with a wink and a nod months ago.

NIB

I do think that we knew this, but I think we had and HAVE hope. It's not over until we all give up. And that is up to us to decide.

k9crazy · 03-31-2009, 03:11 PM

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Originally Posted by shadetree6969

Do you have an e-mail for her. I have a nice letter wrote up to send to her, but I can drop it in the mail if I have to.

I don't, sorry.

Camp · 03-31-2009, 03:12 PM

Sorry guys, I'm a little ignorant to this. I used to live over there and wheel there but, live out west now and have watched and tried to contribute where I can to the cause to keep it open. What benefit could anyone be getting out of closing this? Is this not going to crush the small businesses in the area, in an already faultering economy?

Since moving west, I've only had one chance to get back over there to wheel but, I will pool up the cash I can to help this cause.

sungoesdown · 03-31-2009, 03:22 PM

lagpaoa@fs.fed.us

Pook · 03-31-2009, 03:23 PM

bsdboy · 03-31-2009, 03:25 PM

Fuck.

beartj · 03-31-2009, 03:32 PM

What about some rallying, marching, whatever get a bunch of street legal rigs and park outside the forest service (or whoevers office) with signs and become more visible.

It's easy to throw away a letter but when you have to deal with a (peaceful) crowd it is now something you MUST deal with. Opens up a dialogue, etc.

Lance · 03-31-2009, 03:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by beartj

What about some rallying, marching, whatever get a bunch of street legal rigs and park outside the forest service (or whoevers office) with signs and become more visible.

It's easy to throw away a letter but when you have to deal with a (peaceful) crowd it is now something you MUST deal with. Opens up a dialogue, etc.

That's a good start...

macm715 · 03-31-2009, 03:39 PM

we could just go riding anyway. id like to see them deal with about 1000 vehicles going on a trail ride. a nice trail ride not destroying anything but as a protest. do you think they have vehicles that we couldnt drive right over or what

Kurtuleas · 03-31-2009, 03:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Lance

That's a good start...

X2

I think a major protest is in order.

Who back east can take the lead?

Haole · 03-31-2009, 03:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by macm715

we could just go riding anyway. id like to see them deal with about 1000 vehicles going on a trail ride. a nice trail ride not destroying anything but as a protest. do you think they have vehicles that we couldnt drive right over or what

Brilliant!

Way to represent the off road community as scofflaws. Great way to drum up support.

(Clarify your statement. It can be read two ways.)

GTOffroader · 03-31-2009, 03:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kurtuleas

X2

I think a major protest is in order.

Who back east can take the lead?

I can't take the lead but the address below is a stone's throw from where I live and I would gladly take a day off work to protest.

Elizabeth (Liz) Agpaoa
Regional Forester, Region 8
1720 Peachtree Road NW, Atlanta, GA 30309–2449

03-31-2009, 02:21 PM	#1
Southeast Offroad Banned Join Date: Feb 2009 Member # 129986 Posts: 28	Tellico Closed until further notice... Closed until 2011? WTH? http://www.cs.unca.edu/nfsnc/nepa/tusquitee/tellico.htm Last edited by Southeast Offroad; 03-31-2009 at 02:22 PM.

03-31-2009, 02:30 PM	#3
k9crazy Rescue Tellico Join Date: May 2007 Member # 92338 Posts: 406	Yep, you beat me to it. I was typing when this was posted. This is typical FS...close the area because they know that they have no leg to stand on and they will push things back for YEARS thinking that we will go away or lose interest. They want the time to try to figure out a way to prove that the area is causing what they are alledging...BECAUSE AS OF NOW THEY CAN'T PROVE ANYTHING! I stand by what I said, I believe we can see Tellico open again and Southern will continue to fight. It's going to take all we have and all of you to make this happen. Please don't let the FS drive you away...they are trying to make you not care! They are manipulating us into accepting their crap! So, needless to say, we at Southern and Rescue Tellico were ready for this and will be taking legal action now that the decision is out. And, by the way...I hate to pimp for cash, but we really need money bad to pay for this. Please consider donating what you would have spent at Tellico this year. I am going to donate my entrance fees, user fees, and travel costs to the cause. Please consider doing the same. __________________ Heather SFWDA Director of Land Management I WILL NOT STOP FIGHTING FOR TELLICO. Last edited by k9crazy; 03-31-2009 at 02:32 PM.

03-31-2009, 02:31 PM	#4
Sonnenburg Wheeler Join Date: May 2002 Member # 11753 Location: Chattanooga Posts: 422	unbelievable. She probably wrote that memo months ago. __________________ http://rebelrockrunners.org/gallery/v/buildups/mike/

03-31-2009, 02:32 PM	#5
GSW Registered User Join Date: Dec 2004 Member # 40411 Location: NC Posts: 388	Let's be honest, the Press Release, the Forest Supervisor's Order, the decision memo and the map were not created this afternoon following a soul searching analysis of the issue by Marisue Hilliard. This is Step 1 of the TU forest monopoly plan. __________________ 00TJ/05CTD I rally for Tellico everyday and will continue to do so.

03-31-2009, 02:35 PM	#6
shadetree6969 Wheeler Join Date: Jun 2004 Member # 32538 Location: Tennessee Posts: 295	When they did the temporary closure, it was a mask so they could do just what they have done. This was there plan all along. Who is Candace Wyman’s boss? I think she is in the bed with TU, or at least on the bank roll. She has to answer to someone. But then again it could be that she is taking the fall for her bosses on TU bankroll. I think everyone in that change of command should be audited. __________________ Damnlocals 4X4 club 85 4Runner

03-31-2009, 02:38 PM	#7
GSW Registered User Join Date: Dec 2004 Member # 40411 Location: NC Posts: 388	Senator Richard Burr's (R-NC) office is aware of this. They actually called me this afternoon in response to one of my emails. The time is NOW to ramp up our contacts with elected offficials. Pick an office and call Senator Burr...today. Asheville Federal Building 151 Patton Avenue, Suite 204 Asheville, NC 28801 Phone: (828) 350-2437 Fax: (828) 350-2439 Rocky Mount 100 Coast Line Street, Room 210 Rocky Mount, NC 27804 Phone: (252) 977-9522 Fax: (252) 977-7902 Washington, DC 217 Russell Senate Office Building Washington, DC 20510 Phone: (202) 224-3154 Fax: (202) 228-2981 Winston-Salem 2000 West First Street Suite 508 Winston-Salem, NC 27104 Phone: (800) 685-8916 Phone: (336) 631-5125 Fax: (336) 725-4493 Gastonia City Hall 181 South Street, Room 222 Gastonia, NC 28052 Phone: (704) 833-0854 Fax: (704) 833-1467 Wilmington 201 North Front Street Suite 809 Wilmington, NC 28401 Phone: (888) 848-1833 Phone: (910) 251-1058 Fax: (910) 251-7975 __________________ 00TJ/05CTD I rally for Tellico everyday and will continue to do so.

03-31-2009, 02:42 PM	#8
shadetree6969 Wheeler Join Date: Jun 2004 Member # 32538 Location: Tennessee Posts: 295	http://www.cs.unca.edu/nfsnc/press/n...e_hilliard.pdf I found this it seems all of this started when she got permoted. __________________ Damnlocals 4X4 club 85 4Runner

03-31-2009, 02:46 PM	#9
k9crazy Rescue Tellico Join Date: May 2007 Member # 92338 Posts: 406	Oh hell yeah she wrote that in February...it's on their website as a draft. She has known that she was going to do this all along. And you need to go to MariSue Hilliard's boss here in Atlanta, not Candace Wyman's boss (MariSue). Her name is Elizabeth (Liz) Agpaoa. Here is her contact info: Elizabeth (Liz) Agpaoa Regional Forester, Region 8 1720 Peachtree Road NW, Atlanta, GA 30309–2449 Phone: 404–347–4177; Fax: 404–347–4821 Be polite, be nice, but be firm and be direct. __________________ Heather SFWDA Director of Land Management I WILL NOT STOP FIGHTING FOR TELLICO.

03-31-2009, 03:02 PM	#10
bigjerm Registered User Join Date: Jun 2007 Member # 94581 Location: Atlanta, GA Posts: 83	Sounds like the same thing they did with Anderson Creek here in GA... close it down for 2 years while they decide what to do and then when everyone has moved on close it for good quietly. __________________ Tellico Rally Post 161 07 Wrangler Rubicon 4 door

03-31-2009, 03:03 PM	#11
GubNi Rock God Join Date: Jan 2004 Member # 25927 Location: Northeast TN Posts: 1,367	I feel sorry for local land owners of crawfords camp and tellico cabins. I would love to see Helen and her husband move to Harlan and set up something like they had there. __________________ Dana 60 or 14 bolt disk brake kits $315 shipped --> click here NEW! Dana 70 kits $300 --> click here

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Camp Traction aid Join Date: Mar 2003 Member # 17612 Location: Evergreen, CO Posts: 389	Sorry guys, I'm a little ignorant to this. I used to live over there and wheel there but, live out west now and have watched and tried to contribute where I can to the cause to keep it open. What benefit could anyone be getting out of closing this? Is this not going to crush the small businesses in the area, in an already faultering economy? Since moving west, I've only had one chance to get back over there to wheel but, I will pool up the cash I can to help this cause. __________________ Rockstomper Racing Last edited by Camp; 03-31-2009 at 03:13 PM.

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beartj Granite Guru Join Date: Apr 2004 Member # 30026 Location: Kokomo, IN / WV Posts: 935	What about some rallying, marching, whatever get a bunch of street legal rigs and park outside the forest service (or whoevers office) with signs and become more visible. It's easy to throw away a letter but when you have to deal with a (peaceful) crowd it is now something you MUST deal with. Opens up a dialogue, etc. __________________ PORCer Fuggy The Coyote

03-31-2009, 03:39 PM	#22
macm715 Registered User Join Date: Jul 2007 Member # 96437 Posts: 197	how many rangers are there we could just go riding anyway. id like to see them deal with about 1000 vehicles going on a trail ride. a nice trail ride not destroying anything but as a protest. do you think they have vehicles that we couldnt drive right over or what

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